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Post by Sandy on Jul 2, 2008 23:34:51 GMT -5
Mike please post your question/statement here.
Cody + Andi please reply with your answers here as well.
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Post by Mike on Jul 3, 2008 21:04:24 GMT -5
Well you two, congrats on making it to the F2, It may not be the favorite, but the fact you beat 25 other people and being huge threats through out the merge and still making the finals, I respect your game play and you two probably deserve it.
For my vote off, my first reaction was Andi and Cody voted me out cause they thought I was huge competition and I would be very hard to fight in the final 7. However Andi, in the jury/cast off committee, Payne told me that he made a fake PM to convince you to voting me out. So heres my questions
1. I want all the details about the round that I was voted off in. What was going through your mind when I thought of the plan to blindside Donna because of her HII, Would things have been different if I didn't tell you about the plan, did I ever have the chance at that round or was I fucked no matter who I targetted, what were ya thinking when you were voting me out. Andi specifically, did you want to vote me out because you saw me as a threat or were you just following Payne's order cause of the PM. Cody specifically, what did you think when Andi gave my name to you and why did you agree to vote me out. And most important part of this question, how did my vote off affect you two in the long run, and don't just say "we are in the final 2, thats how", gimme details. And for me planning to work in the Forensic field in 2 years, i want ALL the information I can get.
2. A little fun challenging question X3. For each of you, give me 3 reasons why your opponent should win this game and 3 reasons why you should lose this game.
Answer away o_0
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Post by andii on Jul 5, 2008 23:56:53 GMT -5
Well, let me first start off saying, the round you left, is a round I have often thought about and I told myself along time ago if I ever made it to final two that this was the only thing I was apologizing for because I honestly didn’t know myself that conversation wasn’t real, I was only told rounds later that it wasn’t real. I mean when we started working together it was so brand new, like I hadn’t talked to you the whole game and then I got told of the idea of getting rid of Torah. Everything just happened all so fast. I liked the idea of us working together, but then when Payne came to me saying look Mike is talking shit about you, I totally flipped back over again. That is the only reason I voted you out. I thought you were playing me and I know I should have probably asked you about it, but I was just so unsure of us not knowing each other that well that I went against my gut feeling and voted you out.
The plan you had to vote out Donna never really bothered me because I wasn’t close to Donna at that point in time in my head, so the idea didn’t screw you over at all. The only thing I could keep seeing was that conversation and the things that were said in it. I just know that the conversation made it seem like you didn’t trust me and at that point in the game I couldn’t just let it fly by.
About the vote, I wasn’t doing it because Payne said lets target Mike, I don’t take orders from Payne first off. I was doing it because I thought you didn’t trust me and that you were going to target me next. I guess you would have had to see the conversation, but I made the move for myself. Yeah, it probably would have gone down differently if I knew what I know now, but everything happens for a reason, right? Obviously, it worked out for me in the end. I guess in the long run your vote off affected me because I also did see you have a threat just because you seemed to love the power high you were tripping off of when Torah got voted off. I think if you would have stayed in the game longer I would have felt more threatened by you.
Three reasons I think Cody should win this game is because number one he wants it and he has worked really hard to get where he is in this game by lying and scheming against people. Number two he fooled all of you and no one even saw it coming until it was all to late to do anything. Last, but not least, I think one and two are good enough. (:
Now for three reasons why Cody should lose this game, number one, he followed me around during this whole game like a lost little puppy that I wanted to take home and let me talk him into doing the moves I wanted to make. Number two he ratted on every single one of you to me and that is how I knew stuff like when Lorii for one was going to come after me. Last but not least, I don’t feel that his strategy in this game was very strong at all and was way too flexible to what I wanted overall in the game. No one should change there plan in a game for anyone
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Post by Mike on Jul 6, 2008 16:06:20 GMT -5
Oh, and Cody, my questions to you are still the same, but I want to add something else to ask you specifically. Throughout the other jury member's questions, you were all saying that you're biggest mistake in this game was voting me out. The question I want to ask you is, why the hell do you see it as a mistake, it got you to the final 2. With me being alligned with Jia, Lorii, and Matt, and Kenyon, chances are you and Andi would have been the next 2 to go at the final 7, and there would have been more of a battle. If anything, it was probably THEE move that got you where you are at now. Andi's answer to vote me out was cause she was threatened by the fake PM, were you threatened by the same thing she was, did you vote me out cause Andi told you to, how was I seen as a power hog by trying to get rid of Donna, etc.
Finally, many many people on the jury think that Andi was the person that controlled all the moves in this game and all do did was follow her. Try to prove not just me wrong, but everyone else on the jury wrong, what have you done to get to the final 2 besides following Andi this whole entire time.
You said before that you hope to get my vote, but in all freaking honesty, its damn 50/50 right now. You may have been one of my top 3 out of 27 people in this game, but I don't base my vote on friendship, I base it on Kohlberg's 6th stage of moral reasoning, universal ethical principle.
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Post by Cody on Jul 6, 2008 18:37:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words Mike. As to your question about what was going on the round you were voted out. You were the first person I talked to when I decided that I wanted Torah to go. You knew that a lot of people were going to be voting for you that round so I knew you would jump on anything I said to keep yourself safe. The only reason I wanted Torah out was because she was getting way to comfortable in the game she just assumed that I was going to vote however she wanted me too. Then the very next round I think you took my vote for granted. It seemed like you just assumed I was going to vote with your little block of people without asking how I felt or how we could play this game any differently. That is when I knew you had to go and oddly enough for the same reasons that Torah went. You were getting way to comfortable with the power you had. I talked to Andi about the vote and sense she had been told you were targeting her through Payne's fake PM and it was settled that you would go. I jumped back to the other side promised people that I was for sure with them and we voted you out.
Three reasons that Andi should win: 1) Andi played the game with minimal lying 2) Andi played the game without hurting other people's feelings 3) For the most part Andi could fly under the radar without ever really being a target.
Three reasons that Andi should not win: 1) Andi had no plan the entire game she jumped from vote to vote 2) Andi used her friendships as kind of a cushion for the game 3) Andi relied to much on other people to get her through the game.
I think I touched on your additional question in my first part but I saw you as another Torah taking power for granted. As why it was a mistake me voting you out... it was only a mistake because it screwed up the numbers I already had planned out. It also ruined the trust I had with Jia because both of you were close.
I know the jury thinks that all I did was follow Andi but honestly had it not been for me Andi would have not made it as far as she did. Most of the time Andi had no idea what she was doing. I played Andi strategically. I knew that if things turned sour I could dump everything onto Andi and everyone would go for it. I could have easily voted her out many times and been comfortable with it and probably still have made it as far as I did. I spent most of my time keeping Andi quiet and in check. There were so many times when she could have screwed up in the game but I made her rethink things and work through different scenarios.
I value friendship above everything else but I agree. At this point in the game you should be basing your vote on who played a better game all around not who had the closest friends.
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Post by Mike on Jul 6, 2008 22:28:10 GMT -5
Alright, thanks for all your answers. And I will say that I do admit that I should have asked what you thought about what to do with that vote before I told you about the plan that I have in mind. That was my main flaw between you and me, acting on impulse before thinking about others.
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