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Post by Mike on Jun 15, 2008 23:10:45 GMT -5
Ok Tom, I will say this to ya. Yes I did vote you out, the main reason, because everyone that was voting felt you were a big threat. And whether you say Triforce was not gonna be a final 3 alliance, the fact that ANY alliance with power that has been exposed is a threat that needs to be taken out. Plus if I voted with you and Richard, that would just be a dumb move.
But I ask you this, why all of this negative talk about me. I had nothing against you in this game and I only voted you for a strategical reason, nothing personal. Every single round you said something negative about me while I did not once say anything bad about you. And the fact that when I was voted out, you made such a big deal out of it. I really didn't think you thought of me this way, and I really thought I had respect for ya. But now after all of this, just tell me right now, what do you have against me, what wrong did I do to you besides voting you out. I'm just very confused, thats all cause I really thought we would still have a friendship after this game.
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Post by Tomm on Jun 16, 2008 0:49:33 GMT -5
To be quite honest, Mike, the main reason I was pissed at you (and Jia and Cody) for voting me out was not solely because I was voted out, but because I knew you were signing your own death warrant with that vote. You didn't get voted out right away after that, but I knew your vote-out was forthcoming. No offense, but you aren't the most likable guy that played this game and I had a feeling you'd have trouble securing some allies down the road. I say this in my (VIDEO!) final words, but basically your best shot at going all the way was by uniting original Segomo. Plain and simple. There were so many of us compared to everyone from the other original tribes. When you voted me out, you in turn lost Bridget and Torah as potential allies. So much for Segomo huh? You had Cody and Jia wrapped around your fingers, but that was it. I knew you'd be done for soon. Maybe it's partially my own fault for not renouncing these obnoxious Taylor rumors enough. I really was uncommitted when it came to which path I would ultimately take in this game: the original Segomo way or the "Triforce" way. I would've probably leaned more toward going with Rich, Payne, and Bridget, but I definitely could've been swayed over to going with you, Cody, and Jia. And I don't think I'd have had any trouble bringing Bridget over with me. Like I said, when you voted me out you lost her as a huge potential ally. This whole game was just really frustrating for me because I got turned on twice: once with Taylor/Andrew retardedly going against me and then with you/Jia/Cody doing the same. I really did have my heart invested in this game, so it was just really annoying to have not one but TWO sets of people just make idiotic moves that screwed me and ultimately screwed themselves too. Nonetheless, I've definitely made peace with myself and with Andrew/Taylor, and I'm sure I'll make peace with you, Jia, and Cody as well...with time. But yeah, that about sums it up. I do enjoy making fun of your hair and your incessant "XD"-ing, but it's all in good fun. I just like sarcastically making fun of people. You're definitely not the only one that receives my arrows.
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Post by taylor on Jun 16, 2008 2:19:31 GMT -5
I didnt think it was stupid targetting u. I figured u guys were after me since the 4-4 tie with KJ and Rich, so I wanted u gone before you plotted against me
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Post by Piper on Jun 16, 2008 2:19:52 GMT -5
Omg are you guys still fighting about that stupid plan to keep the original nine segomo members? My god that was so long ago and I knew it was not going to work. I even forgot who was on the original segomo. I am happy I started my own alliance that lasted a while but not all the way. *still one member in the game and they are rocking it!!!
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Post by Torah on Jun 16, 2008 4:46:18 GMT -5
Mike I approached you about the segomo thing and you told me it was no longer. If you had actually said it was going man I woudda been there 100% because my plans were to screw over Rich and Payne at first signs of merge. The reason why I voted for you was because everyone else was like yeah Mike is going vote him.
Man only if you told me and had a different idea like vote Payne or Rich I woudda done it! Everyone should know that Bridget was my closest ally and she hates Mike but Mike I was all for teaming up with you. And kinda using Bridget as an extra. Even Payne wants to use her aswell he told me.
Oh well Mike hopefully we get the chance to do this again <3
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Post by Piper on Jun 16, 2008 5:04:23 GMT -5
Torah then why didn't you ask me!!! Omg we both would still would of been in the god damn game!!! Payne would of been out (which by the way was my life time dream) and you would of made it farther then first jury member because I would feel ever so greatly towards you.
hahahahahahaha I can't believe I just said that because you would of found a knife in you back before you can even say merge!!!
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Post by Tomm on Jun 16, 2008 8:10:28 GMT -5
I didnt think it was stupid targetting u. I figured u guys were after me since the 4-4 tie with KJ and Rich, so I wanted u gone before you plotted against me No. No, no, no, and no. This is what continues to boggle my mind to this day, that you would insanely think that I wanted you gone. Never, never, never, and never. My whole strategy coming into this game was to unite all of the huge targets: myself, Richard, Payne, Andrew, and YOU Taylor. I knew that if we didn't stick together, we would just get picked off one by one. I really did think that all five of us were on the same page before the game started and while it was going on at that point. It just continues to blow my mind that you (AND Andrew!) would think I wanted you gone. I still do not get that!!! Who cares if that KJ vote was a tie?! Bahhh, sorry, this whole debacle just frustrates me on many levels.
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Post by Mike on Jun 16, 2008 8:55:21 GMT -5
Ok ok ok, I got work now, I'll be back at 7:30, and I'll answer all of your questions.
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Post by Morgan on Jun 16, 2008 14:12:31 GMT -5
No offense Tom but you did tell me you wanted Taylor gone... Maybe you were lying but the round myself and Andrew left and the two, I think, before that one we were already thinking of taking Taylor out. What was that all about? [Not trying to stir anything, just asking since that's what ultimatelly sealed my fate...]
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Post by andrew on Jun 16, 2008 17:00:05 GMT -5
I didnt think it was stupid targetting u. I figured u guys were after me since the 4-4 tie with KJ and Rich, so I wanted u gone before you plotted against me No. No, no, no, and no. This is what continues to boggle my mind to this day, that you would insanely think that I wanted you gone. Never, never, never, and never. My whole strategy coming into this game was to unite all of the huge targets: myself, Richard, Payne, Andrew, and YOU Taylor. I knew that if we didn't stick together, we would just get picked off one by one. I really did think that all five of us were on the same page before the game started and while it was going on at that point. It just continues to blow my mind that you (AND Andrew!) would think I wanted you gone. I still do not get that!!! Who cares if that KJ vote was a tie?! Bahhh, sorry, this whole debacle just frustrates me on many levels. If you wanted us to be the 5, you really should have just flat out told us that you wanted it to be us five. Never once did I hear the words, "me, you, rich, payne, and taylor final 5/alliance". You should have just told me straight up, none of this subtle "unspoken alumni deal" crap. If you wanted an alumni alliance, you should have said something, not assume that I would immediately know what you meant, (see I'm stupid like that). I dunno what you told Taylor, but I never knew you wanted us to be the final 5. I had just assumed that I'd just be another pawn of the "triforce's" and that my time would come probably a lot sooner than it was supposed to. I mean, from what I had been hearing, your alliance had ties with half the game, (i.e. Torah, Bridget, Cody, Lorii, etc. etc. etc.). So honestly, look at it from my point of view for a moment Tom. Why would I want to leave the allies I (thought) I had, (Andi, Matthew, Bridget, Kenyon, among one or two others) and jump to a more dangerous alliance of you, Rich, Payne, and Taylor? It wouldn't make sense to go from what was a position of power to being at best 4th place. Yeah I left early, (mostly cause of the crappy Best vs. Worst Places twist that severly screwed me over and put me with the entire triforce, thanks Sandy! lol) but if not for that twist the round I left, I probably would have been in a much stronger position than you realize Tom. Hell my entire strategy was practically to allign with the weaker players! Lol, hopefully you'll realize why I couldn't stick with you. Yeah, you might think it was stupid, but from my point of view, trying to get out the power alliance was the smartest thing I could have done. Too bad I overestimated my influence over some people, (namely Kimber, who no offense kid, but why the hell would you get me out and then try to take out the triforce? stupid plan, should've just stuck with them, Cody, and Lorii, and maybe Andi too) and not to mention stupidly blew it by getting all emotional over the almost Taylor vote, (to which I blame stress from the real world affecting my game). Sorry that you thought it was "retarded" but I had options, just I trusted the wrong person/people. Happens to everyone, it wasn't retarded at all, just a mistake. Course, I probably wouldn't have ever really stuck with you guys, (which you all rightly predicted I will add) since I never trusted Payne, but still.
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Post by andrew on Jun 16, 2008 17:03:07 GMT -5
Btw, I should also point out that paranoia is a bitch, and that's another thing that screwed me, lol. Be offended all you want to about me not trusting your every word, (image that, not trusting someone's word on Survivor!!) but I felt your loyalitys lay with Payne and Rich all the way. So even if me and Taylor had gone to the final 5 with you, what would happen next? Likely we'd be gone next.
Again, I'm not saying I didn't screw up by going hardcore against the triforce so soon, cause I should have bided my time more, I'll admit. But you can't honestly get upset over me not trusting you and feeling you were a threat. That's just how the game works.
Hopefully I didn't offend you too badly man, cause I want to say we are cool. But I had to get some things out that I haven't said yet.
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Post by kyle on Jun 16, 2008 17:43:41 GMT -5
i wish i had game crap to argue about lol
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Post by Tomm on Jun 16, 2008 17:59:10 GMT -5
No offense Tom but you did tell me you wanted Taylor gone... Maybe you were lying but the round myself and Andrew left and the two, I think, before that one we were already thinking of taking Taylor out. What was that all about? [Not trying to stir anything, just asking since that's what ultimatelly sealed my fate...] Of course I wanted Taylor gone - after he began targeting me. When I said "no, no, no, no; never, never, never, never" (ha, I love being repetitive), I was only talking about through the first three rounds of the game. After he started targeting me, of course I started targeting him. The trust I thought we had was obviously forever gone, so I had to take out the person(s) now suddenly coming after me. And I did. Both Taylor and Andrew left, but alas, I wasn't expecting Kimber to be way more outspoken than either of them. And Andrew, I'm sorry, but you still don't get it. Aligning with the "weaker" players would have been a horrible strategy. You could've somehow gotten rid of me, Rich, and Payne, but let's be real: you would have then been next. There were more "weaker players" than "stronger players" in this game; more "unnoticeables" than "noticeables." If the five huge targets (which you were one, Andrew) would've stuck together, this game would've changed drastically. As far as all this "final five to the end" stuff, I just don't say things like that. Ever. Isn't it kind of silly to make a final ____ alliance with 25 people still in the game? Coming into the game, I distinctly remember talking with you, Andrew, about sticking together because we were such huge targets. I did the same with Taylor before the game, and DURING the game during the round we voted out KJ. I really don't know how much clearer I could've made my intention for the targets to stick together lest we fall apart. Sure enough after Andrew and Taylor left, I did. Honestly I'm pretty surprised that Rich and Payne are still alive with only 10 left in the game. And Andrew, for you to keep saying that you didn't trust Payne makes no sense. He was completely 100% down for all the targets sticking together as well, and as was Rich. We three had the sense to know that trouble would come if we all didn't stick together. No offense, but how could you have not seen this too? No way would people like Andii, Bridget, MATTHEW, Kimber, etc have kept you around had we "Triforce" members been voted out early. No. Way.
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Post by andrew on Jun 16, 2008 18:15:10 GMT -5
I dunno. You probably were right, but I had better bonds with the weaker players, (or at least I thought I did) than you think, (maybe). For one, me and Bridget were dating, and I highly doubt she'd have voted me out ever. I had an alliance with Andi and Matthew from day 1, (which may have meant nothing, I never found out) and we had talked constantly about how we were gonna take everyone out, (again, I don't know if they ever actually intended to stay with me).
Your probably right in that I may have been targeted next, but Taylor and Piper aren't the only people known to have 9 lives in ORGs. I could have mutinied the next round and boom, I'm back with my in game g/f and my top 2 allies, plus Taylor, (if he ever intended to stick with me) and Mike, (as he mutinied too I believe). I'd have been back in a good spot. Course, maybe not, as Andi and Bridget mutined as well.....but still, if Payne and Rich can still be in the game at final 10, why couldn't I? Like I said, I made better bonds with (some) players than I'm giving credit for. Then again, I was 7th voted out, so maybe I'm jsut being a jackass here. Who knows for sure?
Course that may have meant nothing and maybe you are right, maybe I would have been the next to go after all. I just felt sticking my neck out was the right move, (obviously it wasn't, lol). In the big picture, we are both gone and indeed it would be different if me and Taylor hadn't targeted you. Fact is, we did target you, we all got voted out, and by the luck of the Irish, Rich and Payne somehow are still here, lol. I'm done arguing, and I'll just stop now and wait to see the confessionals to see just how much of a reality check I get, (knowing me, I'll probably find out that I was duped the whole time, you were right, and I'm an idiot with a pencil dick).
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Post by taylor on Jun 16, 2008 18:30:47 GMT -5
For me, it just had to do with bonds I formed before the game started. Me and Andi taked endlessly before we were even casted. Bridget and I were great friends since Cambodia. I talked with Ashley a lot because I was good friends with Allan, and still am. I knew Payne was the type of guy willing to lie right to your face without hesitation. And I had a hard time trusting you coming into the game, Tom, because u never really talked to me until the game started. Even when I left you msgs on AIM, you usually wouldnt reply. I was actually ready to vote out KJ until Bridget freaked out. I kinda wish I did just vote KJ, cuz apparently Bridget doesnt care for me how I thought she did. Or maybe she is just going through a rough time and taking it out on me
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